Christopher Hitchens vs 4 Christians – Does the god of Christianity exist? [2009]

A panel debate with Christopher Hitchens, William Lane Craig, Douglas Wilson, Lee Strobel, Jim Dennison.
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  • johnson king

    Craig is so full of shit i would love to have a one on one with him

  • Phill Thorpe

    shut up ffs craig!

  • astronerd0008

    did anyone else notice that the "moderator" allowed all the Christians to have as much time as they wanted to make their points yet cut Christopher off multiple times in the middle of his arguments? dosnt moderating require moderation and not bias?

  • Piterixos

    The more I listen to Craig the more I wonder why anybody think he is good apologist.

  • Piterixos

    "Atheism is unfalsifiable" "Christianity is falsifiable" "Christianity is not religion" The guy on far right is comletely insane.

  • Piterixos

    I don't really think Hitchens did very good job here, nor in debate against Craig. It's not that what Craig says makes any sense, the problem is that Hitchens despite his great experience wasn;t able to refute those arguments in really convincing way.

  • Kelsenellenelvial

    666k views, hail Satan Lord of Darkness

  • Piterixos

    Did one guy from the audience literally asked Hitchens how does he account for the logic in naturalsitic terms? Does he really suggests that saying "god did it" is the answer? The moment you try to find foundation for logic you're already using, it. You can't argue for logic in any possible way. You HAVE to take it as an axiom.

  • Piterixos

    If anybode ever tells you that as an atheist you can't objectively tell whether something is morally good or bad just tell that person, that indeed atheism itself doesn't provide the answe, but it's not the problem. Independently from your atheism you just believe objective moral values exist and that's it. Number do exist, they are objective, and no one claim them to be created. Why not do the same with morality? I don't see how there is need to add another step. What;s more in case of god we have few alternatives:

    1. Things that god does are good because god does them. That's simply appealing to authority, those can;t be called objective moral values by any means especially given how often god changes his mind.
    2. God knows what is good and he act in accordance with good. It means good exists beyond god, which means there is even higher god, or good is absolute being that wasn;t created by anything.
    3. God does good because god is good itself. That's even easier, since god is good and god wasn;t created it means doesn;t need creator too.So why would you add additional properties like being all pwoerful, all knowing etc?

  • Piterixos

    That's ridiculous. Why would you pressupose god is good when given all evidence it's way more natural and easy to assume god is evil? When you presupose for some unknown reason that god is good you have to account for all atrocities in the world and what most people do in this case is just saying "well they'll get better life in heaven" or "god knows it's the ebst possible reality, if anything changed we would be fucked" But if you assume god is evil, then everything fall into place. God is evil so he loves when people beg him for help because he can willingly do nothing so that they can suffer.

    That's so simple.

  • Piterixos

    That's literally creepy when Hitchens say we have to be brothers to each other, and pastor asks "why" O.o He really can;t think of any better reason to act in one way or another than "there is sky watcher that command us to do so if we don't obey we will go te hell" Authoritarian nut.